Fresh fiats
Some general “Hints to the Commentariat” were previously offered. As I mentioned then, I’d intended the tone & style of comments to be that of the old-fashioned “letter to the editor,” as to the Times (of London) in some other century. In January I briefly considered cutting off comments entirely, being distressed by a tone that was growing ugly. After Thursday’s thread, I was tempted to do this again; but have resolved on a course slightly less drastic.
“Trolls” & “foodfights” are among the terms of art, used to describe the soi-disant battle of ideas along Internet comment threads. It seems to be given to almost every partisan, to recognize trollish behaviour in an adversary. It is given to few to recognize this in an ally, or in oneself. It becomes the harder to see when the conversation is on topics apparently exalted, where the partisans imagine themselves to be defending the highest principles, & just as they are sliding into the worst kind of sectarian darkness — the kind which has left many bloody swathes through Western, & world history. At such moments, religion is transformed into a very worldly ideology, wherein the end justifies the means.
It is embarrassing (or rather, worse than embarrassing), to me as a Catholic, to look through the long history of events in which Catholicism was defended by unCatholic means. And I do not mean by physical violence in unnecessary wars, only; I mean also by intellectual & spiritual violence in many kinds, which leave a legacy of hatred whether or not directly accompanied by bloodshed. It is acutely painful, to see one’s own allies attributing to God a malice that could not come from Him, in the service of certainties that are all too human.
No word in that last paragraph speaks against genuine Catholic doctrine, teased out by reason from Revelation over two thousand years. Nor am I disowning a history, in which good & evil are necessarily entwined. The good comes from God & men divinely inspired; the evil from wilful men taking their shortcuts to what they imagine will be the good result. Least of all am I suggesting that Catholics are especially guilty, in the sectarian clashes that litter history; nor suggesting that some of the worst behaviour did not begin in reasonably justified self-defence.
Men are men, as all Christians should know, to say nothing of others; & therefore we are never to be entirely trusted. The condition of Sanctity is real, but it is also very rare, & never to be tritely assumed. The Church herself has always been sceptical of claims to Sainthood, as to claims of Miracles. She accepts & recognizes them only when they survive the most exacting investigations. She learnt to do this from both divine instruction & worldly experience: she knows that men get carried away. And her task, when her men & women have been equal to her task through the ages, has been necessarily (as T.S. Eliot put it) to be hard when people would be soft, soft when people would be hard.
My function as Author of this little website — as a kind of hack journalist set free from the constraints of contemporary media — is to write about men, events, & ideas, to the best of my ability in truth. By that I mean, truths plural in the light of the Truth singular, which I sincerely believe to hinge on Jesus Christ. My function as Moderator towards “comments” is not to censor divergent views, but to assure myself that they are compatible in tone & intention with my own exercise. I will not have this as yet another forum for “trolls” & “foodfights” — even highly intelligent trolls, intending very sophisticated foodfights.
Since Michaelmas last year, I have been proceeding with a general idea through trial & error. There are actually many attractions & even virtues in amusing pseudonyms, & wanderings off the point. They may reflect “idleness” in the best sense, where it is quite the opposite of “acedia.” Leisure is required for the free play of reason when it seeks the good, the beautiful, & the true. Reason is not a mule to be hitched to a cart, & whipped towards a precise destination. It should be, far more often than it is allowed to be today, a means of exploration. But against this, I must consider in the balance the vices that are encouraged by the use of costume identities & the indulgence of hobby horses.
It might even be that squabbles among the Commentariat attract readers to the website, & hold the reader’s attention even when he is appalled, so that I ought to encourage them for the sake of “success” — usually measured in number of comments, & number of visitors to the website, & the trendline. But with such success comes, not always but almost inevitably, the corruption of the original intention. I’d rather stick by that intention, & should the number of comments sharply decline, & the number of readers with them, then so be it.
And let me add that I have no other websites. This one is entirely devoted to my own writing & thinking, for all its flaws. And while commenters are welcome to point to my errors or their disagreements, it does not exist for the purpose of letting them argue among themselves on topics of their own choosing. There are many, many, many places in the Internet where they may do that.
I am, incidentally, myself among the guilty of the sins I have defined. For I have myself been joining in the cat herd on topics unrelated to my own posts. My motive has been sometimes to correct what appear to be egregious errors, & sometimes, to lighten the tone where it seems to be growing dark. But sometimes I just take a gleeful kick, in the smartass manner. Therefore I have decided to ban myself from making comments: for my purposes will be better served in Comments by just shutting up. If I have something to say on another topic, or in response to an especially thoughtful comment from a reader in Comments or email or conversation, I will make it into another post, & thereby open the field to comments on that topic.
No one else is banned from Comments, but I leave them free to withdraw themselves, should they rebel against either of these two New Rules, which I hereby proclaim, with the infallible authority of the High Doganate:
The first rule is, all comments to appear under real names. Those who feel uneasy posting comments under their own identities should either take heart, or take flight. I have become convinced that the use of pseudonyms on the Internet, here as everywhere, encourages unpleasant habits, & the worst of them the most subtly. Those in possession of titles may use them parenthetically, but recall that, by custom, even members of the British House of Lords use their own untitled names as their by-lines in the public prints. (Those who use their titles for that purpose are considered to be jack-asses.)
The second rule is, all remarks to be addressed in the correct Parliamentary manner, “to the chair.” That is: one is speaking before all members, & all readers, at all times; & never in private dialogue, banter or cross-talk with another member. The fact that I, in my capacity as “Speaker of the House,” have recognized a commenter, may be deduced from the fact that his comment has appeared. If it never appears, the commenter may rightly assume that his remark was ruled out of order. He may well benefit from trying to guess why. (No Speaker has the time to justify every small decision, & none can possibly avoid making the occasional mistake.)
I hope these two rules, which I intend to enforce fairly strictly, will assist in maintaining the highest standards of civility. It should go without saying that unparliamentary language (lively yes; vicious no) will be deleted, even from posts allowed otherwise to stand. And it should be assumed, as an implication of these two strict rules, that no single commenter will be allowed to dominate a long thread. On any given thread, each additional item he submits will be less likely than the one before to be recognized by the Speaker. Therefore, make your first comment count.
The Speaker in this House is a jolly fellow, happy to tipple outside Lent, & will allow some wandering if he finds it genuinely entertaining. He generally allows members to ramble on a bit, if they can complete their points without becoming tedious. But he will not permit persistent wandering from the point, & will try hard to spot & scotch gratuitous efforts to change the subject by the introduction of red herrings & other poisoned fish.
For clarity, let me mention that, on sound Parliamentary principle, I am not enforcing these rules retroactively. They come into force only with this post, & from this moment.
Finally, it follows from the above that this post opens a thread to those who disagree with my New Rules, to explain why they are wrong. But note, gentle commenter should expect only one chance to state his case (or hers, should it come to that), & must sign his own name to it.
Bravo! These seem to be quite sensible rules. I expect that you will see a significant drop in comments because of them. Even though I do not share some of your views, I do enjoy reading your thoughts.
To the chair:
I fully agree, because these little disciplines will focus the sharper minds that post here to ensure their arrows more accurately hit the target. I have no doubt that the Speaker will provide us with plenty of suitable material for debate, and look forward to standards being even further elevated. Keep up the good work.
Yours Faithfully,
Mick Leahy (formerly known as DeGaulle)
I like what you have said — it reminds me of God weighing the gifts of Abel and Cain. Cain sought applause and his gift was rejected. Abel knew he was called to be good (so did Cain), Abel’s gift was accepted by God. We humans indeed wobble in our course through life.
I love what Fr Gerald Vann OP said many years ago. “If you say that the history of the Church (Catholic) is a long succession of scandals, you are telling the truth, though if that is all you say, you are distorting the truth.”
I agree with you that something has to be done to boost Internet civility. I hope my responses never lacked civility even when sometimes I was affirming something that others may strongly disagree with. I have been guilty of causing the conversation to go off-topic sometimes. It will be nice to have some discipline and I hope the comments increase in number, quality, and civility. Let me go off topic right away to tell you that the previous post was the best I have read on the matter so far. I have been reading your essays for a few years now and I have translated a few of them to the delight of my own readers. Otius tuum bonum otius est, Otiosus.
In my experience, anonymous or pseudonymous postings frequently bring out the worst in people. My letters to the editor of the Indianapolis Star have brought forth vile responses from various commenters directed either at myself or at other commenters. Things got so bad that the Star ceased carrying comments altogether. I have not noticed anything of the kind with present company.
Well, Mr Speaker (sounds so democratic), since we’ve suddenly become a placid pool of tender agreement, let me join the group hug and say that I like the new rules. Accountability has an odd effect, and as one grows one accepts its necessity. A really, really Protestant cousin of mine rejects the sacrament of confession but shows up for his Christian accountability group (which seems to offer disastrously strict spiritual direction that no priest would dream of in the guise of holding him accountable; as he’s saved by grace once and irrevocably, I can never really see the point; but maybe it’s a case of your suggestion that Protestant notions eventually shake themselves out into Catholic teaching). May the discussion proceed better than ever; your columns this week seemed to come from some zone of inspiration with which I am only distantly familiar.
I fully agree with the chair. This is a worthy experiment.
There is something about leaving human beings alone with nothing but a computer screen that attenuates their reality testing.
Which brings to mind the possibility that, at the end of the day, there may be something here that can be marketed to every public school system in America as a cyberbullying suicide prevention program. In which case I will reveal my moniker and come forward demanding a percentage.
I think it should be remembered that the worst “sectarian darkness” since Arianism entered the Catholic Church worldwide fifty years ago when there was a clear shift away from tradition and sound Catholic theology towards modernism, condemned previously by Pope Saint Pius X. Those who have tried to remain with tradition did not create the sectarianism. It was those responsible for the novelties of Vatican II and the corruption of the Catholic liturgy. There is no need here to describe how terrible the consequences were. We are living with those consequences today. The principles of 1789 entered the Church at the highest levels, and that is what the “smoke of Satan” in the Church was that Paul VI lamented (but never understood.)
To maintain an “exalted” tone on this website would require remaining silent about or making an accommodation of some sort with the novelties of Vatican II, the aftermath of that Council, and the modernist tendencies of its various theologians. I think this would be impossible for a traditional Catholic in conscience to do.
Everyone has the right to their own private property to use as they see fit. (After all, we are not communists.) This website is property belonging to David Warren who is a fine journalist who took great personal risks and shook the liberal/left establishment in Canada where it needed to be shook. I hope one day he publishes his columns in a book. I would be one of the first people to go out and buy it.
Approved.
Mr Speaker:
I applaud your resolution to make use of such powers as you have to improve the quality of the responses provoked by your writings. Freedom of speech is a great political good, but not an unqualified one in this forum.
I do regret your abdication of the right to further explain yourself in the comment thread. I hope you’ll reconsider. I have often been impressed by (and grateful for) the attention you’ve given to — and the quality of your replies to — your respondents. I’ve learned a lot, not only by what you’ve said, but also by how you’ve said it. Do you really think the next essay is always the best place to reply?
Moreover, I’m sure the hope that you might reply has been a significant impetus for many of the best comments here. With the likelihood that you’ll reply so greatly diminished, so also is much of the motivation for good questions.
Finally, were it not for your participation in the comment thread, I might never have heard your story about brain death. Having undergone the same procedure (the treatment for pneumothorax, not brain death, mind), I took great pleasure in the tale, and I hate to think I might miss another.
Mr Speaker I am with those who think you should reconsider not joining in the comments, at least on occasion. While we can all appreciate your mastery of putting ideas into words, it would be a pity if you removed the interactive dimension. If we are not to cross talk with other posters, and you remain absent yourself, it all seems rather sterile no matter how inspired the message.
I read every word of the last post and comments which seemed rather like a heated dinner conversation among ladies and gentlemen. Of course I was taught never to discuss religion or politics in polite company so perhaps I filtered out the worst. In any case, I shall read as long as you are willing to write.
Mr Speaker,
I must concur with my fellows on your decision to stay away from the post speech debate. It is true that there are indeed other forums amongst the vast interwebs that we could go to discuss these and other topics, but the fact remains that we were all drawn to this particular website because of your commentary (not that we always should agree with that commentary). I think of these essays as the kindling; your comments and redirections are often the catalyst for a higher level of discussion.
Beyond that I heartily agree with the proscription for all to remain civil on this board. I will note, as others have before me, that the debate and conversation on this site is of an order and caliber that is very rare online (a very low bar, I know). Indeed, just today I directed a friend and fellow Oklahoman to this site with the claim that “you won’t see anything else like this on the web.” Therefore, I can say that you can list, at minimum, two Okies on the membership rolls.
I have nothing to add at this time.
If we spirits have offended,
And your preferences up ended,
Think but this and all is well
The road is broad that runs to hell.
Hellish as it sounds to think,
But let us not from thinking shrink,
There is a place, some know it well
Though none come back of which to tell
Where those for whom their choice is all
Who have no thought of Adam’s Fall
Nor Him from whom the fall had parted
When this weary world had started
Live out their endless night by blaming,
Cursing fate, their hatred flaming,
“Woe on woe and misery
I chose not wisely — choosing me.
Oh curse the ones who put me here
Writers, bloggers, those who steer
Teachers, anchors, talk show talkers
Politicians trolls and stalkers
Celebrities on sunny beaches
Porn star hustlers lawyer leaches
They conspired to spin the actual
Using data counter-factual.
They told me just to pick and choose
And never said that I could lose.”
So apologies are here appended
As this versing now is ended
Still, it can’t hurt to keep in mind
That payment may be due in kind.
Mr Speaker,
Like you, I too, have been a bit disturbed (annoyed, really) at the trend that I saw beginning to appear within your comments entries. It was getting to the point where comments were being made just because they could be. This is one of the things that has kept me from becoming a social media junkie. There, you can “recreate” yourself and, in the end, not be responsible for any consequences of your posts whatsoever. Your entire “worth” as a human being is based on the number of “likes” that you acquire on the things you write under your pseudonym! I am quite familiar with the concept of on-line bullying and the consequences can be so serious as to sometimes include suicide! And, from all viewpoints, it seems to be getting worse, requiring special laws and all the other stuff that goes with “enforcing” correct mannerisms.
So, the net effect of all this, plus your statement of the rules, so to speak, is that I believe you are showing great responsibility by stating such rules up-front and the end result is that, if folks don’t like those rules, then they can go post their drivel someplace else. Good for you!
I believe that the rules you have laid out will promote one of the ideas you are trying to achieve, that of facilitating a responsible round-table discussion. As the original author though, you should be able to comment on a point that needs clarification or that maybe you didn’t think of at the time of the original writing and this comment should be included in the thread that contains the related comments. I feel that placing such additional comments in a separate entry would confuse rather than enhance understanding among your readers.
Again, thanks for doing what you’re doing! I read your site quite often and have recommended it to various of my friends. It is so refreshing to be able to read information that doesn’t have some kind of commercial “agenda” associated with it. I can’t believe some of the “News” sites we have today, where all kinds of drivel keeps “popping up” and diverting your attention. Also, some of the sites are intentionally written so that you have to poke the link to find out what they’re talking about.
Your site is fantastic and I will keep reading and recommending it!
I comment infrequently because the material of the essays and the high level of discourse of those commenting is often “above my pay grade.” But, I love the interplay of the discussions and also David’s occasional interjections. I also think that the latter are beneficial in correcting misunderstandings and are best placed in context for the benefit of those who frequent this site. If a comment is worth a later essay, that can be referred to in the essay, without eliminating the chance for a brief correction or comment where it might be useful.
I was thrilled that you decided to continue with your musings on this blog. I e-mail links to your site often. Thank you for your time and for sharing your experience and knowledge with us.
The gifted St. Thomas purified a pagan philosophy that was fundamentally sound; even Aquinas could never have built anything on the intellectual morass of the modern philosophers. There is no conflict between the Faith and reason; the conflict that exists today between the Faith and modern philosophies in part stems from the latter having strayed so far from the path of reason.
For instance, a modernist theologian like a Balthasar will repudiate immanence as a doctrine but adopt it in his apologetic methods; contradictions like this are common in that generation of theologians, and they make for a fundamentally flawed and incoherent system. Saintly men like Fr Garrigou-Lagrange who pointed out this inconsistency and described in lucid terms the hazards of the novelties had their character assaulted by men like Balthasar et al as being too harsh and gloomy; sadly, the pattern of that type of ad hominem has been continued on this site.
I’m afraid that the host (and perhaps those whispering in his ear) have characterized something that contradicts the traditional Catholic view of the Church, truth, and reality as nothing so much as a personal squabble between theologians. Preference has been given — less on substance than on grounds of literary style and an amiable tone — to those of a subjectivist mind who subdue and subvert positions that the host otherwise professes; the bad lead given by modern Churchman has also played a role; derision has been heaped on those who took issue.
But the problem remains one of principles, not personalities. I readily give our host credit for good will: unlike the theologian who has been named — a two-faced man who rejected what he did not understand and who clandestinely diffused his sad ideas under cover of mock humility, vague language, and utopian concepts — our chap is merely mistaken.
For pointing this out, some of us are implicated as trolls; as you like. At least let the record show that I had been using my real name to post, and that I adopted a pseudonym when I observed few others were doing so. If in the future I contribute less than I have been contributing, know that it is not because I have given into the shame brigade, but because I think little will be accomplished when the double standard I’ve described remains in place.
Back by popular demand. The argument of several correspondents above has convinced me that I should intercede in an explanatory way from time to time; but I think not in any other way. I’ve published in this thread above two items that went entirely off topic in defiance of my instructions, but thought I would let the gentlemen speak, for good fellowship, as both have been, at their charitable best, very interesting & often entertaining contributors in the past.
Let me say here I regretted recommending Balthasar, which I wouldn’t have done had I guessed at the virulence with which he would be attacked. I was trying to champion not Balthasar, but the Gloria, as I do again in my next post. But once a good man is attacked, I feel obliged to defend him. In light of the further attack above, I must make two more points in clarification.
The first point is that I have, actually, very great respect for Réginald Marie Garrigou-Lagrange, OP, of the Angelicum (1877–1964), a brilliant man & a remarkable Thomist scholar. I also think he was dead right about some of his “modernist” opponents & the dangerous ideas they were trying to insinuate into Church teaching; but not right about all. I mentioned him only to give some necessary background on Humani generis, to dispel the notion that Balthasar had ever been himself formally condemned, & to explain the circumstances of the controversy that engulfed him, back in 1950.
The second point is that the series of books by Balthasar I mentioned began to be published in 1961. (The Epilogue, which was the 16th volume, appeared in 1987.) It is too little appreciated that men grow, & in some cases, become wiser. Balthasar did not merely stay within the Church, but defended her nobly when she was under attack from within & without, through the 1960s. I do not agree with any of Mr Romer’s characterizations of Balthasar or his views, but will not indulge further in that controversy on this website.
What I will add is that from the 1980s forward, I was myself intellectually drawn towards the Church by men like Balthasar, & Ratzinger, & other contributors to the journal Communio, to which I subscribed. I cherish them for showing me Catholic thinking that was very much alive — in response to & in opposition to the “modernism” I already opposed as an Anglican. Gentle reader should know that, quite beyond what I quoted before, Ratzinger has held Balthasar in extremely high regard, as have many other learned men I admire, not only for his commanding erudition, but for his gift of insight into the Catholic teaching of Fathers & Doctors of the Church, over many centuries.
But again: this website does not exist to beat theological hobby horses, & this strand of debate is now cut off. No one need waste his time with further contributions to it, for I will not post them.
I am not opposed to requiring names rather than avatars, monikers, noms de plume, whatever you want to call them. But, simply by commenting with a first and last name that appear real is no guarantee that they are.
This requirement alone will not deter any commenter intent on being disruptive rather than simply critical. And, unfortunately, given today’s strange sensitivities, it may prevent people from commenting who could contribute because their opinions could get them in trouble at work.
(Formerly known as CTC)
Were this a democratic sandbox, I would vote against these new rules as they are designed by Papa David to circumscribe freedom of expression. He seems to relish playing the parental role. As adults, we don’t need a Catcher in the Rye.
Perhaps, Mr Speaker, Papa David should also mention that he has benefited from this minor but disturbing unpleasantness, for it gave him a chance to mull once more on his own rhetorical habits, & some dangerous spontaneities.
On the first Friday in Lent, I went through old posts & identified about twenty, mostly earlier & shorter ones with very few comments attached, that now struck me as inadequate. I’ve taken them out of the Essays queue, so that I may review them at greater leisure, then restore some with or without editorial revisions.
What was wrong with them? For the most part, they were the posts closest in style to my old newspaper columns, which is to say, merely reactive to events. That is the genre I am trying to abandon. It will be no secret that, for instance, I don’t like Obama’s politics; or that I am against moral relativism, & sin. But if all I can add to the discussion is an “attitude” & a few cute phrases, I might as well leave it to others who can do this as well or better. Intemperate remarks, especially the masked ones from people developing ulcers, add a certain human warmth, but without supplying light.
It takes mental & spiritual work to raise a negative to a positive. I am blessed with correspondents who frequently try that; & one may always try harder. Too, one should choose targets & moments with some care. It is a bad habit to respond every time one sees something to disagree with. Let the opponent finish his sentences. A much better habit is that of our hero Thomas Aquinas: ignore the opponent’s worst arguments, & save it up to demolish his best.
To the Chair:
I, for one, am grateful that you continue to post your thoughts for me to enjoy, down here in the lower 48. I was almost in a panic when you retired from your newspaper column. Thank you!
Marcie
Expanding on the comment of Kevin Middlebrook, I must confess I hesitated to sign my own name. Years ago something was published regarding my conversion and that lead to my appearance in a Catholic TV show. Coincidentally my list of clients was sensibly reduced (that is my elegant way to say it almost disappeared). Now, entering my fifth year of nearly total unemployment, if I could go back in time I would have used a pseudonym and furthermore I would never have appeared in that show. We live and learn. Since my name is already “soiled” by giving witness of the truth I can continue using it since it won’t make things any worse than they are now. Also, idle as I am, my situation fits very well with the website’s name. Yes, many a good commenter will be forced to choose a pseudonym to avoid retaliation by nuts (I know a little bit about that too) and please remember that the names can be picked up here and reproduced in other sites to embarrass the real person. It has happened to me, so be prepared.
I have a habit, once having read an article, of reading responses or comments on it. This goes back to my youth when newspapers and magazines were the main source of such articles. Because of the nature of the medium one had to be patient waiting for responses. At best the responses could offer strong support or strong criticism. The problem at the time was the limited number of responses published and the fear that editing had weakened the writer’s argument or that the newspaper/magazine had simply chosen not to publish the best responses. In some of the better publications ongoing debate between two readers would be published for many issues.
Unfortunately, I suspected a change in policy eventually occurred with many newspapers that indicated “letters to the editor” had become more of a marketing ploy (i.e. selecting letters in such a way as to allow the maximum number of readers to see their name in print). Today the Internet allows immediate (or even later) responses and in their unedited original state. This has been a mixed blessing for several reasons: (1) It demands too much time if one wants to read all the responses. (2) There is much repetition. (3) There is an awful lot of infantile and coarse postings.
But one does discover something about the nature of one’s readership, at least the part that takes the time to respond. This is not always an encouraging thing.